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French Immersion Advisory Committee Meeting Minutes and Summaries
(In Reverse Chronological Order)
May 17, 2006 - HWDSB French Immersion Advisory Committee
French Immersion Advisory
Committee: May 17, 2006
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Agenda Item:
French Immersion (FI) in Waterdown Presenter:
Kyra Paterson (Waterdown Parents for French Immersion) |
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NOTE: The below
is adapted from the document that was used for the meeting. In [brackets] you will find updates from
the meeting. See below for the HWDSB’s own minutes.
1. Thank
You!
Ø Poster
approval
Ø Survey
Ø FI
Info Night in Waterdown (and putting presentation on board website)
2. Update
WIN Meeting April 26, 2006
Ø Met
Superintendents Sharon Stephanian and Don Grant
Ø Heard
frustration among Waterdown parents regarding need for larger or new schools
FI Info Night April 27, 2006
Ø Excellent
turnout – 50 parents
Ø Mix
of parents already on petition + new parents
Ø Positive
feedback from attendees re: presentation
Meeting with Provincial Member of Parliament
(Ted McMeekin)
Ø Ted
McMeekin added WPFI to his Education Advisory Group
(will participate June 1 for the first time).
Ø He
also suggested that we hold a community roundtable to brainstorm how to solve
the accommodation issue to bring FI to Waterdown (10-12 people, HWDSB to be
invited).
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PETITION SUMMARY |
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Kids all ages/catchments |
122 |
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Kids for SK 2006 |
21 |
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Kids for SK 2007 |
24 |
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Kids for SK 2008 |
20 |
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Kids for SK 2009 |
17 |
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Kids for SK 2010 |
8 |
Petition Numbers
Ø The
petition represents Waterdown parents who will send their child(ren) to FI in Waterdown.
Ø As
of May 17, 2006: [FIAC impressed with
numbers]
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TOTAL number of kids (all
ages/school catchments) = 122 (was 74 at last FIAC meeting in March)
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For SK 2007 (all catchments): 24
(was 18 at last FIAC meeting in March)
3. WPFI
Requests
Ø Survey
of JK Parents in Waterdown:
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That we are notified when the survey
begins, both in May and in September. [Done]
[Some surveys submitted to HWDSB indicate that parents are not interested in FI
in Waterdown and do not want FI at their child’s school since the school is
already over-populated.]
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That we are notified how parents
whose children are not currently in JK in HWDSB but are of that age (e.g.,
Catholic schools or preschools) can participate. [Done: survey on web]
Ø Priority
of FI in Waterdown:
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That FI in Waterdown be added to the
FIAC priority list. [FIAC does not have a
list of priorities, but will consider the idea.]
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That FI in Waterdown be recommended
by the FIAC to be added to the HWDSB priority list. [FIAC can make recommendations to the HWDSB, but these recommendations
can be rejected. FIAC would have to discuss the issue more given
Ø Update
on Accomodation Issue [None]
Ø HWDSB
Budget Planning:
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When does the HWDSB start initial
formal budget planning for the upcoming school year? [Dec]
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Who leads/makes an item a priority? [FIAC can recommend, as mentioned above]
4. Next
Meeting
Wednesday, September 20, 2006
HWDSB
Meeting Minutes
Agenda for
the FIAC meeting of Wednesday, May 17, 2006
7:00-8:30
at the Education Centre, large committee room
The Committee (Present
in Bold): Krys
Croxall, Catherine Youngblud, Anne
Klaus, Gisèle Portelance, Ches Therien, Glenn
Corriveau,
Mary Scime, Justine Cvetis,
Spensir Knight, Margaret
Dickin, Lezlie Laroche, Ginette Bromhead,
Glenna Noad, Roz Minaji, Marie Patenaude, Jane Weary, Janice Carment, John Davidson, Janine
Durajlija
Also in Attendance: Kyra Paterson, Vanessa Palmer-Newman,
Sarah McVanel-Viney, Peter Donna, Jessica Brennan, Reg Woodworth
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AGENDA ITEM |
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Update from Waterdown
(Kyra) -report on Info Night -meeting with Ted McMeekin -petition numbers -next steps |
A meeting was
held with Ted McMeekin. He has added Waterdown
parents to an advisory group. Ted has suggested that the group hold a round
table meeting. He will attend the meeting and would like a group of approx.
10 people present. Reg Woodworth would be invited. 123
students/parents have signed-up so far for FI in Waterdown. The survey has
been sent.Parents requested that this committee add
FI in Waterdown as a priority item for next year. If Waterdown becomes a priority for next
year, could we make a recommendation to the board about expanding FI to the
Waterdown area? Members would
need to vote on this issue. We need to look more closely at ‘expansion’ &
making a recommendation to the board about expansion of FI in general. Are there any
updates on land purchase in the Waterdown area? John reports that in the west
end of the city, there should be accommodations made & as far as
Waterdown being a priority, there are some discussions going on & some
interest in looking at the issues in Waterdown. Do we have any
ability to do something next year to assist with this issue of FI in
Waterdown? The problem in this area is space, not numbers. When does the
formal budget process begin to prepare for the 2007 Sept. school year? At
this point in the school year, it is not a big problem. The budget process
starts around December. The survey of JK
is underway in Waterdown. The survey is posted on the website. The results of
the survey will be returned to Gisèle at the end of May by the
individual schools. There will be
another survey of JK parents in the early fall of 2006. |
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Dundas FI, update on school construction plans & FI programming -update
on numbers (Sarah) |
A website has
been created. Sarah will create a link to the Power Point presentation on our
board’s website. Jessica is saying
that there will be a 2007 opening of FI at the Ken Bain will be
working on a survey for the |
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French Immersion Policy Changes
for entry into the program (Gisèle) |
Catherine would like an assessment created for
the assessment centre. She has had a child enter her school in grade 2 that
had tutoring & some summer courses. We would need a consistent tool from
one building to another. Glenn feels that the grade/classroom teacher
that the child is planning on entering should do the assessment at the school
level. We need to develop a protocol of expectations
for admitting a student, with some suggestions of how to gain French skills
in other ways. Glenn & Ginette
have opinions/ideas that they would like to share, to assist with this. |
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4. CPF insert in school student
agendas (Roz) Keys to French |
If schools are
willing to give up the first 4 pages of their student agendas, CPF would pay
for an insert copy of Keys to French. This insert has French grammar &
vocabulary that supports some key aspect of the French language. Roz has
permission to copy this document (copyright permission), to put into the
agendas. We could have different versions for Junior, Intermediate. Schools
may not want to give up the 4 pages. They may be placing the code of conduct
& other school related info on these pages. It is also fairly late in the
year and schools may already have made decisions around agendas for 2006-07.
CPF will subsidize the $1.50 version (4 pages of agenda). We could contact
the schools to find out if they are interested. |
Gisèle will contact the 8 elementary FI schools. |
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5.
Festival oratoire at |
Ginette was judge & questioner at Festival oratoire.
The minister of Education announced that there will be funding available for Glendon to open a French teachers’ college. OMLTA is encouraging teachers to pre-register
for the Fall conference. Ginette would like to promote other teachers to attend next year, to help
judge Festival oratoire. |
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6.
Increasing enrolment – ensuring safety & quality of education (Janine) |
We have a decreasing enrolment in the board
but our FI enrolment is increasing. Janine is concerned about space,
staffing, administration, etc. What can we do to assist or support? We have
hired French teachers much earlier again this year. FI is now a weighting
factor, a .5 weighting, which can assist in generating a vice-principal. The
needs of FI are being considered. We realize that we will soon need more
space. Some of our FI schools will be adding portables this year. As schools
increase in numbers, we need to consider washrooms. |
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7. Dates for next year |
Sept.
20, Nov. 22, Jan. 24, March 21, May 23 |
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8. Article in Readers Digest (Ches) |
Article from a French Immersion student in
Reader’s Digest that
won a $20 000 scholarship to |
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Next meeting will be
September 20th, at the Education Centre
March 22, 2006 – HWDSB French Immersion Advisory Committee
(Note the below text was originally included in an update email sent for
WPFI email distribution list)
1. Summary of the March 22nd
The message from the HWDSB Superintendent of Program and Assessment,
Krys Croxall (chair of this committee), at the March 22 FIAC meeting was
that the biggest hurdle to getting FI
in Waterdown for SK 2007 is a lack of space to house the program.
Other challenges to overcome are a sufficient number of interested parents, and
HWDSB funding. (If it came to a vote of the Trustees - who would have to
approve the FI program coming to Waterdown - a majority of the 11 Trustees
would have to vote "yes". Considering funding issues, this could be a
major hurdle - consider a breakfast program for disadvantaged kids versus an expansion of FI.)
Based on these 3 hurdles we have revised the goals of WPFI and will be
updating our poster and brochure and website to indicate this.
Goal #1: To encourage the HWDSB to find space for 1 to 2 SK FI classes
in Waterdown for September 2007.
Goal #2: Generate enough parent interest in Waterdown to have 1-2 SK FI
classes in September 2007 in Waterdown.
Goal #3: Work with the HWDSB to approve and implement Early FI at a
Waterdown public school starting with the SK class of September 2007.
More on Space
- As many of you know, many Waterdown public schools are already
bursting at the seams. Starting an FI program means finding room for 1 SK class
to begin with, then adding a
classroom each year until the first stream of kids reaches grade 8. That's 8
classrooms in 8 years, plus 8 teachers.
-Krys Croxall mentioned that it is not just a lack of a portable to open
a program, because often there ARE surplus portables that can be moved from one
school to another. Portables are a short-term solution for what is inevitable
in Waterdown - a population boom (6500 new houses already approved for the
next 10 years) means new public schools WILL be needed. However, such schools
may be 5-10 years away. This means that portables could be a short-term
solution, with the FI program moving into a new school when this happens.
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- WPFI are under the
impression that Guy Brown is currently
operating under capacity. If this were true, WPFI would pursue
the expansion of an FI program for SK
2006. We are currently looking into this and will keep you
posted. Krys Croxall indicated that it is not too late to implement a program
for Sept. 2006.
- Krys Croxall spoke about the possibility of changing catchment areas to modify the
number of students at the various Waterdown schools. Last time changes to catchment areas were made in the
HWDSB (3 years ago), it was a
VERY unpopular move. It is unlikely to happen again any time soon. However,
Krys Croxall DID acknowledge that it is possible that an FI school in Waterdown
could draw from Waterdown/Flamborough
students only (i.e., so that with the population boom students wouldn't be
coming from outside this area to put the schools over capacity - a worry of the
board).
More on Numbers
- While this is not the #1 stumbling block, we still need to build the
petition.
- Krys Croxall said that the HWDSB will consider approving our poster and brochure so that
they can be distributed and displayed in the schools.
- She also said that they would
consider sending an inquiry to each parent who has registered
their child for JK 2006 to ask if they would be interested in FI for SK 2007.
- The HWDSB has agreed to hold a French Immersion Information Night in
Waterdown, similar to the sessions that were held in January and February in
the schools that currently house FI programs, for parents considering sending
their child to
- We need to build the number of kids currently in JK on the petition,
IF we are able to find space for an SK FI program for Sept. 2006. Please spread
the word!!
- As an FYI, currently about 7-8 students attend G.R. Allan (HWDSB) for
FI, while approximately the same number go to the Halton public board. No transportation for either
group.
More on Money
-Krys Croxall informed everyone of a memo that came from the Ontario
Provincial Government indicating a source of funding for French as a Second
Language programs. This money could be used to expand an FI program into
Waterdown. My understanding is that the amount available per board is $25,000.
Other Issues
Regarding transportation,
Krys Croxall indicated that IF there is a surplus of money for
transportation, the FI program is a priority for getting additional
funding. At the FIAC meeting Krys Croxall learned that the Hamilton Catholic
school board buses FI kids from
March 22, 2006 – Official HWDSB Minutes from the French Immersion
Advisory Council Meeting
Agenda for the FIAC meeting of Wednesday, March 22, 2006
7:00-8:30 at the
Education Centre, Room 1
The Committee (Present in Bold): Krys Croxall, Catherine
Youngblud, Anne Klaus,
Gisèle
Portelance, Ches Therien, Glenn Corriveau, Mary Scime, Beth Harris, Margaret Dickin, Lezlie Laroche,
Ginette Bromhead, Glenna Noad, Roz Minaji,
Marie Patenaude, Jane Weary,
Janice Carment, John
Davidson, Janine Durajlija
Also in Attendance: Kyra Paterson, Lynda Moore, Christina Grant,
Vanessa Palmer-Newman, Scott Tipping, Susan Ingram-Kerr, Sarah McVanel-Viney, Jim McGimpsey, Marcia Jones, Kelly
Wolf, Ann-Marie Tipping, Jean Lewis-Knight, Justine Cvetis, Spencer Knight, Jessica Brennan
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1. Update of interest in
Waterdown (Kyra) |
There are
presently a total of 74 students of varying ages on the petition. What is the
number of students required to start up? In Waterdown, the answer is not a
simple one. We need to have accommodation space first. We have looked at the
growth in this area and realize that we will need to build another school.
There may be a possibility of using the portables at Waterdown District. If
this school builds an extension, we could use the portables, but that would
be in future years. Is Guy
Brown at capacity? A rumour was heard that they had space. We may
need to look at a home-school model for Waterdown, due to population growth
in this area. The board of trustees and executive council understand the need
for FI programming in Waterdown. Due to the low amount of students in FI in
this area, bussing is not being provided. The
committee would like their flyer to be approved, to then be sent out to
school. Would
Waterdown be a good area to offer a late immersion program? Our model is
outlined in policy, stating that it is an early immersion policy. Changing
this policy would require more work than what we are presently looking at. Can we
offer a community information session? We can offer a session, to inform
parents. Roz will assist with a brochure mail-out, on behalf of CPF. In the Halton board, parents can only
be guaranteed one year at a time, on a year-by-year acceptance basis. There is
some difficulty in getting the message to parents for SK. Is there some way
this group can contact these parents? What is
the latest time that we could look at opening French Immersion in Waterdown
for September 2007? We still have time to do this. Six months to a year in
advance should be enough time to prepare for this. When will
the Could we
run the program if there is room for the different classes in the 3 different
schools? The difficulty is that if this was to occur, there is not enough
space for the population growth. Is there a
possibility to perhaps share cost, building space, etc. with the catholic
board? The catholic board is not usually interested in doing this. They want
to keep their students. If we must
adjust catchment areas
anyway, can we look at a catchment
for FI, to have them all in one school? This might be possible, but it would
cause a lot of disruption and upset in the community. Probably would not
happen for program reasons alone. Is there a
possibility to lease a portable, if parents are willing to raise funds? This
type of option may be looked at if the board was going to build a new school
in the near future and they were making the decision to have FI in this new
school. As a short-term solution, this may work, but we would need an
approved long-term solution first. The group may ask for delegation status, to present to the board. They can contact the Director’s office for more information. |
We will inquire
about this. Krys will try to
get this item onto the agenda for exec council for next week. Gisèle has booked April 27th,
at Waterdown District, from 6:30 to 7:30. Krys will take
this question to exec council to find out if we can survey parents in our
schools. |
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1. Waterdown
students attending HDSB & HCDSB (Catherine) |
In talking to
parents, G.R. Allan is loosing Waterdown parents to HDSB & HCDSB. Can we
find out how many we are losing? Halton
may have 7 or 8 of our students (parent information). Halton Catholic does not have Immersion. Halton is not picking up within
our area, but parents may drive to the bus stop just outside our jurisdiction
and they will pick up students there. The distance to drive to G.R. Allan is
a problem. The parents do not necessarily want bussing. They want a FI
program in Waterdown. |
Halton has reported having 6
students from our area. Halton
Catholic do not have any. |
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3. Update of interest in |
Joanne
Saab is a parent gathering names in Ancaster.
The Exec
council is looking at the possibility of putting FI in the school, slated to
open in 2007. G.R. Allan & We will be
looking at a magnet program. We are able to do this with the opening of a new
school. It is also in an area where there will not be a lot of new population
growth in terms of new development. This decision will need to go to Exec.
Council, then to a full board meeting with a recommendation made. Site plan
tendering still has months to come. Roz would like to attend this planning
meeting, How many
interested students do we need to open a program in a new school? We need at
least 20 students, but more would be better. Parents may not be adding their
name to a list, but there is strong interest. There is a real chance that
this program will open in this new school site. What would
we do if there were too many students? We may need to put a cap on the
numbers – first come first served. Is it
possible to start the Core French program at the K or grade 1 level? Not at
the present moment. Is there
another level of politics or people that need to be convinced? Some parents
do not value the program. The challenges are to find enough fluent teachers
for FI and finding resources. Will
trustees support this program? Jessica says that there needs to be a majority
of the vote (11 trustees) that agree to this. If it goes through a positive
vote with trustees, Jessica believes it should go through Exec Council. The
trustee level is often what blocks these types of decisions. Ches would recommend to the An
Information session can be offered in |
Gisèle has booked April 19th
at Highland Secondary, from 6:30 to 7:30. |
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4. Transportation Update (Krys)
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Last year, we
received ministry transportation funding in June. A decision has been made to
provide transportation for FI if there is funding available to do so. It does
not look like we will have a surplus of funds,
however the board is looking at finding some funds to continue to provide
transportation for FI. It would be of benefit to provide transportation in
Waterdown. There will be a review of how effective the transportation is this
year, to better serve us next year. Is there an
opportunity for the 2 boards to work together to share the bussing? The
catholic board has a bus coming form |
Krys has asked
Daryl Sage to investigate this option. |
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5. CPF Update (Roz)
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A summer camp
will be run out of |
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6. Funding to
support renewal of FSL |
We will be
receiving extra funding for FSL. It will be on a proposal basis. We would
like to hear suggestions from the group. Math is taught
in French to grade 10, in English afterwards, which makes it difficult to
translate vocabulary. The same happens in Science. Perhaps create a
vocabulary conversion table for Math and Science. Guest speakers
that are male role models. Authentic French
opportunities, technology, subsidizing field trips. Provide funds to
support a French Immersion pot-luck, as was done in past years at Westdale. Library support
for FI. An injection of
resources. Public speaking competition. |
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7. Concours oratoire
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Completed a few
weeks ago. Fluency of students in French Immersion is comparable to students
in a French language school. We have more students participating every year.
Students are going forward to Festival at Students will be
invited to present at the board meeting. |
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Next meeting will be May 17th at the Education Centre,
large committee room
January 18, 2006 – Official HWDSB Minutes from the French Immersion
Advisory Committee Meeting
Agenda for the FIAC meeting of Wednesday, January 18, 2006
7:00-8:30 at the
Education Centre, Room 1
The Committee (Present in Bold): Krys Croxall, Catherine
Youngblud, Anne Klaus,
Stella Green-Gibson(regrets), Gisèle
Portelance, Ches Therien, Glenn Corriveau, Mary Scime, Beth Harris, Margaret Dickin, Lezlie Laroche,
Ginette Bromhead, Glenna Noad, Roz Minaji, Marie
Patenaude, Jane Weary, Janice
Carment, John
Davidson, Janine Durajlija
Also in Attendance: Kyra Paterson
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2. Transportation Update
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Principals
have received a letter to be sent home to students. Grades 1-5 will be
provided with bussing, grades 6-8 will receive a bus pass. For safety
reasons, kindergarten students will not be included at this time. There can
be courtesy transportation if the bus has room. It may be provided for grades
6-8 students. A number
of parents have called regarding our out-of-catchment rule. Students who are out-of-catchment do not receive
transportation. This rule may encourage students to stay in their catchment area school. Parents
are worried that if the transportation is not well utilized, it may not be
offered next year. Because we are starting in the middle of the year, we
expect that it may not be fully utilized (routines established, etc), but the
board should not be holding that against providing it. We hope that this
service will be used, providing some help with safety at the school as well
as relief to parents. Daryl Sage
has said that we can readjust stop locations if some stops are not being well
utilized. As for next year, we may be able to add more stops, and perhaps
change bell times. Discussed
changing the FI policy to reflect the transportation policy. The present
wording is: Based on the Board’s current Transportation Guidelines,
transportation will not be provided for this program. – Policy No. 3.01
Curriculum, French Immersion Policy. Motion: The French Immersion policy be amended to reflect the
transportation policy. Motion by John Davidson, seconded by Marie Patenaude. Vote: all in favour If
transportation continues next year, there will need to be some discussion
regarding the Kindergarten program. Will we provide bussing for these
students? Will we be providing full-day alternate days, or half-day every day? |
Krys will present this motion on our behalf to Exec. Council. |
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3. Potential
interest in |
Interest in
Waterdown & Dundas. Kyra Paterson
from Waterdown (Greenleaf school) is gathering interest in starting a French
Immersion program. She has put up posters, and is receiving some some interest. There is some
potential for opening an FI program in Waterdown in terms of interest;
however the present policy is a magnet school, which is troublesome for this
area of growing enrolment and accommodation pressure. The home school model
received mixed reviews from Exec Council, and some board members suggested
that the numbers should be 50 students to start the program. Krys will ask Exec
Council to consider G.R. Allen is
getting very crowded and may need a portable for accommodation if FI
continues to grow. Motion: The board address the accommodation
needs of French Immersion to serve growing enrolment at a number of our
schools and to respond to the interest of parents in Waterdown and |
Krys will present this motion on our behalf to Exec. Council. |
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4. CPF Update (Roz)
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CPF
applied to the provincial branch and received $17 000. With this they created
flyers, posters, and pamphlets promoting FI and Information Sessions. Next
Wednesday, author Lisette
Brochu will do a reading.
French film at the Staircase Café. Gregg LeRock concert. Collège Boréal
offering French courses for parents, textbook free to CPF members. Grade 7
& 8 students, leadership weekend in February. More
information about these events is available in the CPF newsletter. CPF is not
offering a French course at this time. |
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5. Pentathlon on Feb. 23 (Marie)
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École Secondaire Georges P. Vanier, on Feb. 23,
9:45-2:00 for grades 5 & 6, singing, posters, drama, sports event, an
environment of French language & culture. Offered for francophone &
immersion students. Competitive teams. Register by calling |
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5. International Baccalaureate Program
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Chuck Reid would
like an International Baccalaureate program in our board. Paul Smith made a
presentation about this on Nov. 29th. Exec. Council has asked for
more information. They need to look at funding issues as well as impact on
staffing and timetabling, location and bussing. It is in a study phase at
present. Concern is that it may impact French Immersion at Westdale. |
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Next meeting will be March
22nd at the Education Centre, Room 1
January 18, 2006 -
HWDSB French Immersion Advisory Committee Meeting
(Note the below
text was original included in an update email sent by Kyra Paterson for WPFI
email distribution list)
I have been to 1
meeting of the HWDSB French Immersion Advisory Council. They meet every 2
months, and the meeting is open to anyone. They added Waterdown and Dundas FI to the agenda. The
committee members include the Superintendent of Program and Assessment (chair),
teachers and principals of FI schools, parent council members, school trustee,
Canadian Parents for French, and people like me (I was the only new person at
the meeting – there were no other parents like me there). To summarize the
meeting: it was acknowledged that G.R. Allan in Hamilton (where our kids would
have to go for FI right now) is overpopulated, and that Norwood on the mountain
(takes all kids on the mountain from Ancaster
to Binbrook) is nearing
that point. To address the overpopulation, as well as the slow but steady
growth in the FI program, and the interest in Waterdown and Dundas, the superintendent suggested that the new
school to be built in Dundas
(off Governor’s road at the annex/couldrey
park location – right by Highland Secondary School) could be a FI/English
school. This is great news for
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